Comments on: “X” is a feminist issue

By: Opopanox, Home of the Arrogant Worm

Opopanox, Home of the Arrogant Worm — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:39:07 +0000

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By: amandaw

amandaw — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 00:55:35 +0000

Para beginning with “Well, I had to admit, something bugged me …” (this post)

and I don’t know if it’s my body winding down at the end of the day or just me being an idiot but I may have crossed paths, sorta, in which post was which and which post I was thinking of (the above, but I can’t find it in the Feministe post I commented on which either means I’ve lost all mental faculty or I assumed one post linked was another.)

By: octogalore

octogalore — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 00:45:27 +0000

Thanks! And sorry my editing is so sucky above. Can you clarify "why don’t the examples she gave feel like “feminist”?" octogalores last blog post..Arms

By: amandaw

amandaw — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:07:40 +0000

O ya, it just set me thinking. My thought process could hardly be called linear :) I was thinking because it was bothering me, why don't the examples she gave feel like "feminist"? And that's when I thought, "what is it this argument is getting at? what is all the way at the bottom of this, and what else is there along the way?" and this is what came out of that journey.

I didn't link to your post in this one very deliberately, even though it sparked my train of thought, because it was not on the same subject line at all. You threaded together a beautiful point about the invisibility of women of color in these discussions. Like I said -- picking up on some of the things that are sitting there while you're trying to dig all the way to the bottom of this.

By: octogalore

octogalore — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:58:32 +0000

Amandaw -- interesting take.I'm glad you said this isn't a response to my piece, because I was not challenging: (a) "Why isn’t it worth your time to consider race in the same frame of mind you consider gender?"(b) "Do you think that there is nothing to learn, no benefit gain, for you or anyone else, from entering a framework other people have built, which doesn’t center around your world?" (b) "Why is it that you have to be cajoled into showing some fucking respect for anything that doesn’t revolve around you and your experience?"Cuz the anwswers to these are: (a) it is worh our time; (b) there is much to learn; and (c) nobody should have to be cajoled.But: none of that makes a discussion pf MOC (or men period) that doesn't only gives lip service (and barely that) to any relevance to WOC (or women period) a feminist issue.And the reason for the annoying harping on this is that subordinating ourselves, especially our most underserved members in something that is supposed to be a feminist issue is problematic. There are many forums where it is the responsibility of anyone involved in any justice movement to learn about other justice issues that do not directly involve women of any color or description. Hopefully, none of this is meant to refute that. octogalores last blog post..Arms