Comments on: Open letter to Feministing http://threeriversblog.com/2009/10/open-letter-to-feministing.html Fri, 03 Sep 2010 02:12:21 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: third wave fail? you don’t fuckin’ say. « Pocochina’s Weblog http://threeriversblog.com/2009/10/open-letter-to-feministing.html#comment-21764 third wave fail? you don’t fuckin’ say. « Pocochina’s Weblog Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:46:02 +0000 http://threeriversblog.com/?p=731#comment-21764 [...] by pocochina on October 6, 2009 Prerequisites:  Meloukhia, AmandaW, Anna’s last couple posts on disability [...] [...] by pocochina on October 6, 2009 Prerequisites:  Meloukhia, AmandaW, Anna’s last couple posts on disability [...]

]]> By: QLH http://threeriversblog.com/2009/10/open-letter-to-feministing.html#comment-14783 QLH Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:41:22 +0000 http://threeriversblog.com/?p=731#comment-14783 Thank you for posting this. I've had a real problem with that blog for a long time, and I'm really glad to hear such strong voices speaking up. This is greatly appreciated. Thank you for posting this. I’ve had a real problem with that blog for a long time, and I’m really glad to hear such strong voices speaking up. This is greatly appreciated.

]]> By: this ain’t livin’ » an open letter to Feministing « Fangirl Saves the World http://threeriversblog.com/2009/10/open-letter-to-feministing.html#comment-13172 this ain’t livin’ » an open letter to Feministing « Fangirl Saves the World Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:15:57 +0000 http://threeriversblog.com/?p=731#comment-13172 [...] and others have said. I’ve heard complaints about Feministing being classist, transphobic, ableist … all of these are feminist issues. Nobody is perfect, but when any of us are called out on [...] [...] and others have said. I’ve heard complaints about Feministing being classist, transphobic, ableist … all of these are feminist issues. Nobody is perfect, but when any of us are called out on [...]

]]> By: lauredhel http://threeriversblog.com/2009/10/open-letter-to-feministing.html#comment-13171 lauredhel Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:24:25 +0000 http://threeriversblog.com/?p=731#comment-13171 Does anyone have (or can anyone wave in the direction of) a list or blogroll or way of finding less-young feminists, disability bloggers, etc? I have two or three on my regular reading list that I know of, but I've no idea who else is. I've found that trying to google this yields poor results indeed, and it seems to me that the vast majority of bloggers don't talk about their age in their About pages. It's impressive how invisible people over forty are in people's minds - I've added my approximate age to my bio because I found people were assuming I was in my late twenties or thirties, just by default. Does anyone have (or can anyone wave in the direction of) a list or blogroll or way of finding less-young feminists, disability bloggers, etc? I have two or three on my regular reading list that I know of, but I’ve no idea who else is. I’ve found that trying to google this yields poor results indeed, and it seems to me that the vast majority of bloggers don’t talk about their age in their About pages. It’s impressive how invisible people over forty are in people’s minds – I’ve added my approximate age to my bio because I found people were assuming I was in my late twenties or thirties, just by default.

]]> By: krismcn http://threeriversblog.com/2009/10/open-letter-to-feministing.html#comment-13165 krismcn Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:38:18 +0000 http://threeriversblog.com/?p=731#comment-13165 Thank you for taking the time and energy to lay all this out. I'll glance over front page posts over there, mostly keeping an eye out for interesting links, but I almost never read the comments, for reasons made clear by the horrible thread fail (it's like the commentors read a post about how NOT to derail, dismiss, or silence marginalized groups on social justice blogs and decided to try out all the techniques for themselves). Thank you for taking the time and energy to lay all this out. I’ll glance over front page posts over there, mostly keeping an eye out for interesting links, but I almost never read the comments, for reasons made clear by the horrible thread fail (it’s like the commentors read a post about how NOT to derail, dismiss, or silence marginalized groups on social justice blogs and decided to try out all the techniques for themselves).

]]> By: amandaw http://threeriversblog.com/2009/10/open-letter-to-feministing.html#comment-13150 amandaw Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:33:36 +0000 http://threeriversblog.com/?p=731#comment-13150 and... this was a rant. It poured out of my brain unedited. It wasn't long and considered; I didn't go back and read through it or think through it... What that indicates is what it is that comes out of that very raw state of mind. Which means I have a lot of work to do, because these things should BE part of that core rawness. lots of thinking to do. Daisy, I'm sorry, and thank you for taking the time to comment on it. and… this was a rant. It poured out of my brain unedited. It wasn’t long and considered; I didn’t go back and read through it or think through it…

What that indicates is what it is that comes out of that very raw state of mind.

Which means I have a lot of work to do, because these things should BE part of that core rawness.

lots of thinking to do. Daisy, I’m sorry, and thank you for taking the time to comment on it.

]]> By: amandaw http://threeriversblog.com/2009/10/open-letter-to-feministing.html#comment-13149 amandaw Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:19:16 +0000 http://threeriversblog.com/?p=731#comment-13149 & Daisy... where need be, keep kicking me for it. It's not your responsibility, but I readily accept it when and where you feel it's appropriate. I need to improve. & Daisy… where need be, keep kicking me for it. It’s not your responsibility, but I readily accept it when and where you feel it’s appropriate. I need to improve.

]]> By: amandaw http://threeriversblog.com/2009/10/open-letter-to-feministing.html#comment-13148 amandaw Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:14:30 +0000 http://threeriversblog.com/?p=731#comment-13148 Daisy, that is a totally fair criticism. I have been trying to make sure I bring it up but often my brain just trails off when I am trying to think of additional lines of privilege/oppression. I hate laundry lists and am still struggling with how to address the long list of *isms without leaving anyone out, because any list DOES invariably leave *someone* out, there are so many axes of oppression. I apologize, sincerely. Cus I haven't been good enough on that. There's no excuse for it. I do think about it, and especially notice the way ageism and ableism join paths for quite a distance. But I haven't been good about really reflecting deeply on it and making sure to address it in my writing. I'm sorry. (my blogroll is WAY out of date, fwiw, but I doubt it would really be well representative even if I tried to add everyone now. my blogroll is limited by the fact that I want to *know* the person/group before I link to them, I want that link to mean something, but I don't even have energy to keep up with my current reading :-\ I am sorry.) Daisy, that is a totally fair criticism. I have been trying to make sure I bring it up but often my brain just trails off when I am trying to think of additional lines of privilege/oppression. I hate laundry lists and am still struggling with how to address the long list of *isms without leaving anyone out, because any list DOES invariably leave *someone* out, there are so many axes of oppression.

I apologize, sincerely. Cus I haven’t been good enough on that. There’s no excuse for it.

I do think about it, and especially notice the way ageism and ableism join paths for quite a distance. But I haven’t been good about really reflecting deeply on it and making sure to address it in my writing. I’m sorry.

(my blogroll is WAY out of date, fwiw, but I doubt it would really be well representative even if I tried to add everyone now. my blogroll is limited by the fact that I want to *know* the person/group before I link to them, I want that link to mean something, but I don’t even have energy to keep up with my current reading :-\ I am sorry.)

]]> By: DaisyDeadhead http://threeriversblog.com/2009/10/open-letter-to-feministing.html#comment-13147 DaisyDeadhead Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:08:24 +0000 http://threeriversblog.com/?p=731#comment-13147 Co-signing, but as I have said before, Amanda (and also emailed you months ago, no reply), I have issues with the way YOU omit ageism from everything. For instance, ageism was not mentioned in your above post <i>a single time,</i> not even in passing... and the oldest person on your blogroll is, I am pretty sure, about 40. (After I mentioned this to you before--several times--I expected some changes. Don't see any.) There ARE feminist bloggers over 40, really there are. And you might apply the same standards to ageism that you do to ableism; they are intricately connected. I do not expect you to care about this any more than the other young bloggers do, but thought I would, once again, mention it. Maybe in a "popular" thread, it will at least be noticed. Co-signing, but as I have said before, Amanda (and also emailed you months ago, no reply), I have issues with the way YOU omit ageism from everything. For instance, ageism was not mentioned in your above post a single time, not even in passing… and the oldest person on your blogroll is, I am pretty sure, about 40. (After I mentioned this to you before–several times–I expected some changes. Don’t see any.) There ARE feminist bloggers over 40, really there are. And you might apply the same standards to ageism that you do to ableism; they are intricately connected.

I do not expect you to care about this any more than the other young bloggers do, but thought I would, once again, mention it. Maybe in a “popular” thread, it will at least be noticed.

]]> By: Bene http://threeriversblog.com/2009/10/open-letter-to-feministing.html#comment-13140 Bene Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:55:13 +0000 http://threeriversblog.com/?p=731#comment-13140 Kasie, your second paragraph entirely sums up my ongoing problems with Feministing, so I had to delurk to say so. (Though I would say 'pretty skinny <i>white</i> women', personally, I really don't feel they do much for the issues of WOC.) Kasie, your second paragraph entirely sums up my ongoing problems with Feministing, so I had to delurk to say so. (Though I would say ‘pretty skinny white women’, personally, I really don’t feel they do much for the issues of WOC.)

]]> By: Kasie "mamatat" Ray http://threeriversblog.com/2009/10/open-letter-to-feministing.html#comment-13087 Kasie "mamatat" Ray Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:08:18 +0000 http://threeriversblog.com/?p=731#comment-13087 I can't tell you how excited I am to see ableism and classism addressed so fully. This push has been needed for far too long, and Feministing's holier-than-thou-we're-the-real-feminists general attitude needs to go. I've lurked there for a long time, never feeling comfortable because it reminds me of a clique-y high school, where the pretty skinny women who have money, full bodily ability, no chronically ill relatives for whom to care, bills that are paid and a hunky dory life, "get" to tell the rest of us poor souls how it really can be for us, if only we tried harder, worked harder, were better educated....like them. Thank you for calling bullshit so that all of us who are disabled, are caretakers for the disabled and who are full-on feminists might possibly feel comfortable and feel that we're not just included, but truly accepted. I can’t tell you how excited I am to see ableism and classism addressed so fully. This push has been needed for far too long, and Feministing’s holier-than-thou-we’re-the-real-feminists general attitude needs to go.

I’ve lurked there for a long time, never feeling comfortable because it reminds me of a clique-y high school, where the pretty skinny women who have money, full bodily ability, no chronically ill relatives for whom to care, bills that are paid and a hunky dory life, “get” to tell the rest of us poor souls how it really can be for us, if only we tried harder, worked harder, were better educated….like them.

Thank you for calling bullshit so that all of us who are disabled, are caretakers for the disabled and who are full-on feminists might possibly feel comfortable and feel that we’re not just included, but truly accepted.

]]> By: amandaw http://threeriversblog.com/2009/10/open-letter-to-feministing.html#comment-13080 amandaw Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:05:29 +0000 http://threeriversblog.com/?p=731#comment-13080 Oh, this is rich. For the record, I began my full time job on Wednesday and have been in a lot of pain. I got home yesterday to a whole bunch of comments from "Shaun" (who was Sean/Shawn at other disabled feminist blogs, pasting the same initial comments?). Too exhausted to do anything about them. I wake up this morning to a whole bunch MORE, including the above accusing me of censoring people. I, um, wasn't around to censor anybody, for the record. Wordpress took ONE of his comments to mod because it included more than three links. Sorry dude. When I have the time and energy, Shaun is being disemvoweled. I wish I had been around to simply moderate his first comment before people got to it, but I wasn't. And the reason is that 1) it is my blog, and I don't have the energy to deal with this guy, and 2) his comments are completely ridiculous and I have made it clear that I do not accept comments that I see to be violating the sense of safe space for PWD here at my blog. Shaun, please stop commenting here. Anybody else who decides that they are going to behave the same way as Shaun, please do not bother. I am now moderating all comments so that I can control what gets through when I am absent for a while. Your comment should be approved by me when I am available. Nobody is being singled out. Thanks. Oh, this is rich.

For the record, I began my full time job on Wednesday and have been in a lot of pain.

I got home yesterday to a whole bunch of comments from “Shaun” (who was Sean/Shawn at other disabled feminist blogs, pasting the same initial comments?). Too exhausted to do anything about them.

I wake up this morning to a whole bunch MORE, including the above accusing me of censoring people. I, um, wasn’t around to censor anybody, for the record. Wordpress took ONE of his comments to mod because it included more than three links.

Sorry dude.

When I have the time and energy, Shaun is being disemvoweled. I wish I had been around to simply moderate his first comment before people got to it, but I wasn’t. And the reason is that 1) it is my blog, and I don’t have the energy to deal with this guy, and 2) his comments are completely ridiculous and I have made it clear that I do not accept comments that I see to be violating the sense of safe space for PWD here at my blog.

Shaun, please stop commenting here. Anybody else who decides that they are going to behave the same way as Shaun, please do not bother.

I am now moderating all comments so that I can control what gets through when I am absent for a while. Your comment should be approved by me when I am available. Nobody is being singled out. Thanks.

]]> By: Rosa http://threeriversblog.com/2009/10/open-letter-to-feministing.html#comment-13070 Rosa Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:15:28 +0000 http://threeriversblog.com/?p=731#comment-13070 Thank you, thank you, thank you! I gave up on Feministing YEARS AGO because of this. I don't have the energy to put into supposedly feminist sites that refuse to acknowledge all women, of all ages, races, and abilities. Those people are just playing at feminism as far as the majority of women in this world are concerned. Thank you, thank you! Thank you! Thank you, thank you, thank you! I gave up on Feministing YEARS AGO because of this. I don’t have the energy to put into supposedly feminist sites that refuse to acknowledge all women, of all ages, races, and abilities. Those people are just playing at feminism as far as the majority of women in this world are concerned.

Thank you, thank you! Thank you!

]]> By: Shaun http://threeriversblog.com/2009/10/open-letter-to-feministing.html#comment-13068 Shaun Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:17:22 +0000 http://threeriversblog.com/?p=731#comment-13068 [<i>edited according to my comment policy, see my comment below ~ amandaw</i>] Nc t s tht y r nw cnsrng ppl wh dsgr wth yr tctcs. xpctd ths. Gd lck wnnng vr n "lls" whn y cn nly s blck nd wht. Shm n y. [edited according to my comment policy, see my comment below ~ amandaw]

Nc t s tht y r nw cnsrng ppl wh dsgr wth yr tctcs. xpctd ths. Gd lck wnnng vr n “lls” whn y cn nly s blck nd wht.

Shm n y.

]]> By: Tera http://threeriversblog.com/2009/10/open-letter-to-feministing.html#comment-13049 Tera Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:44:21 +0000 http://threeriversblog.com/?p=731#comment-13049 Awesome, awesome, awesome. Co-signed. Awesome, awesome, awesome. Co-signed.

]]> By: meloukhia http://threeriversblog.com/2009/10/open-letter-to-feministing.html#comment-13046 meloukhia Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:17:05 +0000 http://threeriversblog.com/?p=731#comment-13046 Uhm, actually, Feministing asked us to chat with them. Repeat: FEMINSTING ASKED US. There was no bullying involved. Uhm, actually, Feministing asked us to chat with them.

Repeat: FEMINSTING ASKED US.

There was no bullying involved.

]]> By: Anna http://threeriversblog.com/2009/10/open-letter-to-feministing.html#comment-13045 Anna Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:11:33 +0000 http://threeriversblog.com/?p=731#comment-13045 Shaun, if you're disappointed in the decisions that the Feministing Staff have made, may I suggest you take it up with them? I'm told they respond best to emails to their main Feministing email address. Shaun, if you’re disappointed in the decisions that the Feministing Staff have made, may I suggest you take it up with them? I’m told they respond best to emails to their main Feministing email address.

]]> By: Shaun http://threeriversblog.com/2009/10/open-letter-to-feministing.html#comment-13043 Shaun Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:45:34 +0000 http://threeriversblog.com/?p=731#comment-13043 [<i>edited according to my comment policy, see my comment below ~ amandaw</i>] Wsn't wr ths s gm, bt tht fgrs, cnsdrng hw jvnl ths whl thrd s. [edited according to my comment policy, see my comment below ~ amandaw]

Wsn’t wr ths s gm, bt tht fgrs, cnsdrng hw jvnl ths whl thrd s.

]]> By: getoutofmyparadigm http://threeriversblog.com/2009/10/open-letter-to-feministing.html#comment-13040 getoutofmyparadigm Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:08:32 +0000 http://threeriversblog.com/?p=731#comment-13040 I think you just lost the self-reflection game. Thanks for playing. I think you just lost the self-reflection game. Thanks for playing.

]]> By: Shaun http://threeriversblog.com/2009/10/open-letter-to-feministing.html#comment-13038 Shaun Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:47:12 +0000 http://threeriversblog.com/?p=731#comment-13038 [<i>edited according to my comment policy, see my comment below ~ amandaw</i>] N ctll, mn flsh, mprctcl nd snslss. Hr, lt m pst t fr y: . ffctd wth mdnss; nsn. . nfrml. Dprtng frm prprtn r mdrtn, spcll: . Pssssd b nthssm r xctmnt: Th crwd t th gm wnt crz. . mmdrtl fnd; nfttd: ws crz bt bys. . ntnsl nvlvd r prccpd: s crz bt crs nd rcng. . Flsh r mprctcl; snslss: crz schm fr mkng qck mn. [edited according to my comment policy, see my comment below ~ amandaw]

N ctll, mn flsh, mprctcl nd snslss. Hr, lt m pst t fr y: . ffctd wth mdnss; nsn. . nfrml. Dprtng frm prprtn r mdrtn, spcll: . Pssssd b nthssm r xctmnt: Th crwd t th gm wnt crz. . mmdrtl fnd; nfttd: ws crz bt bys. . ntnsl nvlvd r prccpd: s crz bt crs nd rcng. . Flsh r mprctcl; snslss: crz schm fr mkng qck mn.

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